Nigel ; does "next weekend" mean the 17th-18th or Memorial Day Weekend? We had planned Memorial Day around the 1630, but will postpone the visit if the steamer will not be running. Thanks.
#1 Steve Grishaber on 2014-05-14 10:51
Next weekend means 17th / 18th. Memorial Day weekend is "up in the air" at present. Rather depends how far you are travelling and by what date you need to be sure. We are doing our damnedest to have the smoke box front repaired and on this weekend and have her in steam Memorial Day weekend. Obviously the delay means that this would be the first time we have steamed her this year so we could fail to be in service due either to the smokebox taking longer or finding something we cannot fix immediately as we start her up (that is why 17th/18th was important as we then had a week to fix any loose joints or whatever that showed up under steam). So we are still trying hard to be running Memorial weekend but there can be no commitment at this time. It will be clearer after this coming weekend.
#1.1 Nigel Bennett on 2014-05-15 10:06
It's to bad your not going to be running her hope to come up this summer and see her run.
#2 Luke Solberg on 2014-05-14 15:33
You think 1630 will be running on Memorial Day weekend? My parents and I were considering stopping by as part of my 17th birthday present, and I was curious if I could get a cab ride on her! Thanks!
#3 Zach Kaye on 2014-05-14 18:02
Zach, See the response to Steve on Memorial Day running. On a more general point, cab rides are unlikely this year. A issue that will limit our running time is the small number of qualified engineers / firemen that we have (since it is some years since we last ran). To overcome this issue we will generally have trainees in the cab whenever we run and we cannot accommodate trainees and riders. Nigel
#3.1 Nigel Bennett on 2014-05-15 10:10
Thanks for the clarification. We'll probably come that weekend. My mother was hoping to get some of my senior pictures with 1630! Thanks again.
#3.1.1 Zach Kaye on 2014-05-15 11:53
Surprised the steam shop does not have a MIG/TIG welder for those kind of repairs.
#4 Mark R on 2014-05-14 18:35
MIG and TIG, while useful, would not be able to be used on a large cast iron piece such as this. While cast iron can be welded, a large piece like this impractical since the entire casting needs to be heated, then welded, then slowly cooled to prevent cracking. Brazing, since it uses less heat and doesn't melt the base metal, avoids this problem. Other not welding methods for cast iron repair include stitching using metal plates, and JB weld.
#4.1 Kurt Schlieter on 2014-05-15 21:02
Agree with you about not welding Cast Iron- too high carbon content just increases the chance of further cracking. I was there Sunday with my grandson and spoke to JD about the repair. The brazing looks fine but I would not re assemble the Bell Bracket without a LARGE steel plate inside the front smoke box cover to attach to, and keep the stress off of the casting repair. The original washers and nuts are too small and the problem will return. Put som hi temp head gasket sealant on the inside of the repair between the backer plate.
#4.2 Dan Mottl on 2014-05-19 16:42
Dan, Yes it is certainly our intention to put a spreader plate behind the bolts to distribute the load as much as possible. The size will be constrained by the fact that the top bolt holes are close to where the front bolts to the ring of the smoke box itself. Actually the original was not bolts but studs and actually tapered studs. Strange and suspect design as the taper was probably a major factor in initiating the cracks. You would expect taper studs in the pressure vessel but not clear why they were used into a relatively thin iron casting. Difficult to say it was a really bad design as it lasted nearly 100 years ... but has lead to a lot of cussing in the last couple of weeks!. Nigel
#4.2.1 Nigel Bennett on 2014-05-20 07:08
Tapered Studs? Would not have expected that either...but yes it lasted a century. I would drill out those holes oversized to clear the new bolts and tap the backing plate and use new high strenghth bolts to attach the bell bracket. Mc Master Carr sells them- along with your local fastener supplier. I offer to make the backing plate at my machine shop in Lyons and deliver it if that helps you out. We have water jets and lasers. I have A-36 plate and 1018 crs in stock. (I took photos on my phone on Sunday but would need someone to make an accrate sketch.)
# Dan Mottl on 2014-05-20 13:28
Dan, Thank you. We do have the bolts and material in the shop ready. The plan is very much as you suggest. A couple of us will be out there working on it tomorrow. Suspect that the tapered studs driven into a relatively thin iron casting were the likely cause of the cracking ... but we don't have much come back on the supplier now !!. Unclear when it would have been done. Don't think it was original for Russia so probably Frisco. Nigel
# Nigel Bennett on 2014-05-20 21:00
It will be exciting after all these years to see 1630 going again. Great effort on everyone's part. A few weeks either way are no big deal. Keep getting it done right, that's the important part.
#5 Tom on 2014-05-15 17:06
She'll be running next weekend those men are dedicated remember their volunteers I can do it when they can but I say I will be by next weekend for the run on the 1630
#6 Andrew Augustyniak on 2014-05-18 00:29
Any news as to whether 1630 will be running this coming weekend?
#7 Zach Kaye on 2014-05-19 12:11
A key reason I have not posted anything is that we are working throughout the week and it is a day by day situation. If we can get the crack fixed satisfactorily we will run. But it is not certain either way. Nigel
#7.1 Nigel Bennett on 2014-05-20 07:02
my cell phone is 630-251-0365 if I can help.
#7.1.1 Dan Mottl on 2014-05-20 16:11
I know that you mentioned that it will be a 'day-by-day' progress on completing this and that it is still fairly up in the air, but, should everything check out, is 1630 going to be run all three days, or only one? I figure Monday gives the most time and also it's the easiest day to go
#8 Brad Hole on 2014-05-20 20:06
Brad, We do now have crew available for all 3 days so, provided we solve the casting problem, we would plan to run all three days. Nigel
#8.1 Nigel Bennett on 2014-05-20 21:01
I understand you are working very hard to fix the crack I was just wondering what is left to do in order for operation this weekend?
#9 Andrew Ossler on 2014-05-21 13:28
Any word on the smokebox repair and operation over memorial day weekend?
#10 Chris on 2014-05-22 09:16
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